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  Who owns the Kingdom Halls?

  by No Apologies in

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  on another thread ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/86931/2.ashx ) i saw these comments:.

  think again, the kingdom halls are paid for by the local witnesses, and when its paid off, its donated back to the wt society, what an elaborate scheme!!!

  when the construction is finished the congo finally has it's own kh, right?

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  Marvin,

  Thanks for the information you provided. Interesting that it took them until 2000 to make this a policy. And again, it doesn't look like th e Society would get the deed to the Hall until the local corporation was insolvent.

  IP_SEC I'm not sure I follow your math. Why would the congregation give the money from the sale of the old hall, or the money they raise, to the Society? To use your example:

  Cost to build new hall : $180,000 ( You didn't include this amount in your example, its hard to do any calculating without it.)

  Old hall sale $50,000.00
  Collections $10,000.00
  Loan $120,000.00 7 years at 2%
  Total interest $8695.00

  So the Society has made $8965, yes, but 2% return, while relatively risk-free in this case, is not exactly a lucrative income. Do they even charge 2%? I'm sure there are better investments out there.

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  Other than Ray Franz - who is the "highest level" JW to leave? Know any?

  by confusedjw in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm aware of ed dunlap from coc - but who else of the upper echelon?

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  Does anybody here really know who Maximus was? I know allegedly he was a District Overseer...

  I don't know that I'd call D.O. a 'high level' JW rank, more of a middle manager type.

  I myself was a former Gilead Instructor, and I was responsible for the Awake! crossword puzzles...

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  JW table at small airport

  by Bryan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as i was returning home yesterday, i noticed an elderly lady sitting at a card table next to the security line.

  immidiately, her "my book of bible stories" jumped out at me.

  her table was covered with printed propaganda.

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  jeannie

  My point, and my view, is that no group that advocates breaking up families, letting children die rather than give them a needed blood transfusion, hide pedofiles, and scar their people to the point that they cannot function within society to their full potential have no business on government property. This is not limited to JW's but *any* group which does not act in their own peoples best interests.

  And who decides which of these groups are 'ok' and which are not 'ok'??

  See jeannie, the great thing about living in a relatively 'free' society, is that people are totally free to do stupid things, like come up with crazy religions. It's not a perfect system, but its better than most of the alternatives. (My favorite would be a worldwide government ruled by a iron-fisted, yet benevolent, dictator, preferably myself.)

  No Apologies( of the glad-I'm-not-the-only-one-who-gets-freedom-of-speech class)
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  Who owns the Kingdom Halls?

  by No Apologies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on another thread ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/86931/2.ashx ) i saw these comments:.

  think again, the kingdom halls are paid for by the local witnesses, and when its paid off, its donated back to the wt society, what an elaborate scheme!!!

  when the construction is finished the congo finally has it's own kh, right?

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  On another thread ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/86931/2.ashx ) I saw these comments:

  think again, the kingdom halls are paid for by the local witnesses, and when its paid off, its donated back to the WT Society, What an elaborate scheme!!!

  When the construction is finished the congo finally has it's own KH, right? Wrong. They have to cede it to the WTS.

  This seems to be a common perception, at least among xJWs. However what I want to know is, is there any truth to it? In my experience here in the U.S., each congregation forms a legal corporation for the main purpose of holding property, i.e. the local Kingdom Hall. Furthermore, each time I have heard about a Hall being sold, I have never anything said about involving the Society, which I would think would be the case if the Society did in fact own the Kingdom Hall.

  Also, I would think the legal liability to the Society would far outweigh any financial advantage, especially when they are trying to distance themselves as far as they can legally from the individual congregations.

  And yes, I have heard about the congregation in Texas back in the 80's that 'seceded' from the Borg and took the Hall with them. I think though, that their response to this was to make sure they were listed as lienholders on as many Kingdom Halls as possible.

  So I think their real aim is to keep as many Halls in perpetual debt to the Society, owned by the local congregations, but not completely paid for.

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  How does the Society refute the 607/1914 discrepancy?

  by ithinkisee in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/1.ashx

  i loooove this simple 607 bce explanation by alleymom.

  (thank you if you are reading.

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  I am right about this dude. He is seriously in denial. You should take a look at some of the debates him and AlanF have had in the past.. it was the final nail in the coffin for me leaving the WTBTS. Poor guy.

  You hear that Scholar? You were instrumental in helping GetBusyLiving to realize the truth about the TROOF!!! I am so envious of you, I have yet to help anyone break free from the Watchtower's clutches.

  I salute you, Scholar!

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  Another Newbie from Wisconsin

  by TooOpinionated in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after seeing all the new people from wisconsin today i decided to come out of my lurker mode.

  i have been practically obsessed with this board since i discovered it, and i give everyone here credit for helping my husband and i leave the borg.

  i had been in 11 years, and my husband 27 years, along with our 3 small children.

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  Welcome TooOpinionated!

  and a hello from over here in Minnesota!

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  How does the Society refute the 607/1914 discrepancy?

  by ithinkisee in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/1.ashx

  i loooove this simple 607 bce explanation by alleymom.

  (thank you if you are reading.

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  Short answer: They don't even try anymore...

  This was the topic I started researching when I decided it was time to get off the fence re being a dub. I started by re-reading the appendix to chapter 14 in the Kingdom book, first printed in 1981. A careful reading will reveal that even the Society admits that all the weight of archeology points to 586/7 as the correct date. So they fall back on their misinterpretation of the scripture in Jeremiah about the 70 years and the old "we rely on the Bible over mans dates", evern though nothing in the Bible supports 607.

  Well that book is over 20 years old. Surely if any new archeological evidence has been discovered since then that would support the 607 date, it would be a front-page Awake! article, at least. But there has been very little said on the topic, which leads me to suspect there has been no such find.

  So then I took my questions to an elder, very smart guy, works for IBM, who claimed he had some secular evidence supporting 607. After calling his bluff, I finally pinned him down at the Hall, where he admitted he had no such evidence. As we are standing there after the meeting, people milling around, he very quietly concedes there is no real secular support. But he rationalized to himself that since this system cannot possibly continue much longer(in his mind, anyway), he needs to believe in the Society's promises.

  So that was kinda the end of my 'research' phase...

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  Paradox: Are Faithless Watchtower Leaders Reform's Best Hope?

  by metatron in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  while many among the watchtower's leadership are no doubt sincere, there is no proof.

  more than this, in examining the life of a man like rutherford - complete with.

  his habits involving cruelty, alcohol, greed , reviling others, neglect of his family and contempt.

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  It's my understanding that Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watch Tower Publishing Corporation are no longer connected. I think getting those two confused is why some people have so much trouble dealing with either of them.

  Gary, are you channeling XQs now? That sounds like something he would come up with. The fact of the matter is that the people running the Publishing Corporation and running the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses all report to Patterson.

  Ex Witnesses most often confuse the Watch Tower Publishing Corporation(s) and Jehovah's Witnesses but few Witnesses of the loyal type confuse the two.

  Can you explain what you mean by this?

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  Clarifying the new policy regarding DF'd and DA'd announcements

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i read that in the new organized to do jehovah's will book coming out in march at the kh, elders will on say sister so and so is no longer one of jw's.

  an elder that i work with said that they will announce from now on joe bloe has been disfellowshipped from the christian cong and is no longer a jw.

  or jan bloe has disassociated herself and is no longer one of jw's so they are still going to say df and da but i think they are going to drop the part "conduct unbecoming of a christian" because this can get them into legal trouble when a person goes to the military or votes or takes a blood transfusion.

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  Booker,

  They dropped the "for conduct unbecoming a Christian" a loong time ago, obviously for the fact that it could be construed as slander. Heck, I think at one time they even announced the specific "sin" the person was being DF'd for.

  I think your elder is confused. The word here is that the announcement will be "No Apologies is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses." No indication of whether it was a DF or DA.

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  Mother in law told off for speaking to her daughter

  by chuckyy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my wife and i disassociated 3 months ago and my wifes mother is still a jw....but.....she still sees us regularly.

  today, a 'clipboard' elder went down to see her.

  he has been her book study overseer for a year and has never once gone to see her even though her husband is dying.

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  A rough illustration - you?re told not to eat a ham and cheese sandwich. But the sandwich also includes mustard. You know not to eat the ham and the cheese, but maybe you can have the mustard.

  Except with the Society's current policies, you can have the bread, the ham, and the cheese, just as long as you don't eat the sandwich! Where is the logic in that? More importantly whre is the scriptural basis???

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